Petition: Let Transformation Items Persist in Druid Forms!

Dear Readers,

With 4.01 and Cataclysm on the verge of being deployed, I feel this is the perfect time to bring this to the forefront. By now, most major changes have already been implemented/tested and perhaps (just maybe) Blizzard will now have time to look into something that may not have game changing effects but will be a significant effects for druids. While this blog is primarily a kitty blog, this is something that affects all of us druids whether you’re a Kitty, Bear, Chicken or Tree.


1. Problem

Throughout the history of WOW, Blizzard has done a fantastic job of creating all sorts of fun items which I will (for the purpose of this discussion) call “transformation items”. Transformation items are items that will change the physical appearance of your character for a short duration of time. Not only are they fun to use, but they are also fun to collect. Personally have invested many hours into obtaining these items and they are with me at all times in my bags. They do not increase one’s ability to PVE or PVP and for all intents and purposes, they are just fun things to supplement and improve your WOW experience. Below are examples of what transformation items are currently available in game:

 

From Top Left to Bottom Right - Iron Boot Flask, Orb of Deception & Orb of the Sin'dorei, Frenzyheart Brew, Super Simian Sphere, Time-Lost Figurine, Rituals of the New Moon, Dartol's Rod of Transformation, Muradin's Favor

 

The problem is that with druids we by class design, use shapeshifting forms. Whether it be cat, bear, tree, chicken in all situations 99% of time time we are in some sort of form. The only time we are not in a form would be when we are not participating in PVE or PVP (in other words, afking in Dalaran). If we use the transformation item while in shapeshifted form, we are instantly shifted out into caster form. Or if we use the item while in caster form, we’ll instantly lose it once we shift into a form. This naturally, for all intents and purposes, prevents us from being functional, whereas this is a stark contract to any other class who can use transformation items and continue to play without interruption.


2. The Why’s and Why Not’s

The Why Not’s are perhaps not as clear to druids as they would be to other classes.

I’ll play devil’s advocate and pretend I’m the opposition to implementing, who might say:

  • Druids have the ability to “change” their appearance
  • Druids just got a revamp of their shapeshifting forms
  • Druids inherently already have the ability to change into 6-7 different looks
  • Druids are the only class that has a flying form (instant cast too!)

So with so much flexibility in changing looks, why should druids be allowed to use transformation items too? My rebuttal to that argument is. If I am a kitty I cannot switch (for fun) to bear and dps. If I am a boomkin, I cannot switch (for fun) to kitty and dps. It just is not possible. I can stay in caster form and heal or boomkin dps but that is not the most ideal and limits my contributions. Transformation items are inherently designed to provide no benefits/disadvantages to your gameplay. I should not have to limit my ability to play just to have a different look.

The Why’s, on the flip side are as follows:

For 6 years we have not been able to utilize transformation items and its time we were given the chance to do so. I understand that we already have unique abilities such as shapeshifting but that is part of the class and we should not be punished for that. The way I see it (and this is strictly from a person who has no developing experience) how hard would it be to implement said change? Deathbringer’s Will already shifts us into forms whenever the proc occurs which means to me, that it is possible to make this change without much difficulty. If we (druids) put in effort in collecting these fun items we should be able to utilize them just like any other class.

*Edit: More discussion on why/why not in comments, will update once I have time. Link


3. Petition

I, Rarren of Auchindoun petition that transformation items persist in all druid forms regardless of shapeshifting so that we can enjoy, like all other classes in World of Warcraft.


4. Call to Action, Make Our Voice Heard!

So there you have it, I am putting this out there and looking for support from my readers, fellow bloggers, and the blogosphere so that hopefully, just maybe we can garner enough support and awareness that Blizzard will read this and make a change. Perhaps this is something that has been brought forward in the past but hopefully with the support of the blogosphere, our voice can be large enough to push this change into Cataclysm.

To support this petition, add a comment to this post, pass it along to your friends, and move the message along the blogsophere. The more comments we get, the more of a chance Blizzard will read and possibly make a change.

44 Responses to “Petition: Let Transformation Items Persist in Druid Forms!”


  1. 1 chckenmcbndy September 30, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    I agree 100%! This drives me nuts on my druid.

    • 2 Tulk October 1, 2010 at 3:46 am

      I also agree with this proposition!
      It’s been too long that we have been unable to fight as pirates, ninjas and the like!

  2. 3 tilde September 30, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    Your devil’s advocate seems to only care about why druids don’t “deserve” to have a perk everyone else does, ignoring actual reasons why it doesn’t work well.

    “Transformation items are inherently designed to provide no benefits/disadvantages to your gameplay.”

    Not being able to tell what spec an enemy druid is sounds like a pretty huge advantage to me.

    You’re not being punished for rolling a druid, it’s part of your class, the same way a warrior isn’t punished by being unable to use wands or quaff mana potions.

    Your entire “Why” argument says: “We have not been able to, and we should be able to.” “The way I see it (without any knowledge on the subject) is that it would not be difficult.”
    That’s it? You’re saying “we should be able to because we should be able to. Also, it wouldn’t be hard.” That’s not an argument.

    Many shapeshifting items take an equip, make you unable to attack, unable to mount or take a flight path, unable to do certain boss mechanics…they’re intended as aesthetic perks.

    Blizzard has given the reasoning behind why shoulders, helms, etc cannot be customized, and druid forms are no different. It is a core class mechanic and aesthetic. It is the center of the classes identity. They have no intentions of changing that.

    • 4 Vallen September 30, 2010 at 4:02 pm

      Thanks for the arguments, here are my rebuttals.

      Argument #1: Not being able to tell what spec an enemy druid is sounds like a pretty huge advantage to me.

      PVE: Irrelevant, bosses don’t care what specs you are
      Arena: Irrelevant, nobody can use transformation items to ensure fair playing field
      Battlegrounds: Can provide a disadvantage to other players.

      But lets look a little further into battlegrounds

      If a Shaman with a Sindorei Orb comes at you, do you know what spec they are?
      If a Paladin with a Frenzyheart Brew comes at you, do you know what spec they are?

      I picked these two because they specifically, are hybrid classes. The only way to tell? Looking at their weapons and buffs. If a shaman is using 2 1h’ers its enchancement, if they’re using a 1her + shield could be resto or elemental, guess you’ll have to look at buffs. What about paladin? If its a 2her its ret, if its a 1 hr + shield could be prot or holy, guess you’ll have to look at the buffs.

      For druids the same applies, look at the weapon and you’ll have a better idea. If you still aren’t sure look at the buff. I don’t see druids having the ability to use aesthetics items making it anymore difficult to determine what spec they are vs any other hybrid.

      Argument #2: You’re not being punished for rolling a druid, it’s part of your class, the same way a warrior isn’t punished by being unable to use wands or quaff mana potions.

      Mana Pots & Wands provide specific bonuses/increases to gameplay and are not relevant to this discussion. This discussion is (as you stated yourself) in regards to aesthetic items only which at this time druids are unable to use them in the same manner as other classes.

      Argument #3: Your entire “Why” argument says: “We have not been able to, and we should be able to.” “The way I see it (without any knowledge on the subject) is that it would not be difficult.” That’s it? You’re saying “we should be able to because we should be able to. Also, it wouldn’t be hard.” That’s not an argument.

      Fair, reading back it really isn’t a strong argument and perhaps I need to reword it if I want to make a strong case to make a change. Thanks for that. The message I want to get across is, these are no bonuses or advantages to giving druids this ability, so there really is no reason to not allow us to use these items like every other class. It is a fun and aesthetics only.

      Argument #4: Many shapeshifting items take an equip, make you unable to attack, unable to mount or take a flight path, unable to do certain boss mechanics…they’re intended as aesthetic perks.

      Some truth to this point, Dartol’s will disappear if you take any dmg. Items like Orb of Deception/Super Simian/Time-Lost/Rituals of New Moon all take an equipment slot to use. However the difference is, if another class chooses to use these items they are still able to play normally, nothing will remove that transformation unless they die or remove the item. This is not the case for druids.

      I probably should make it clear that all I am asking is that druids be able to use transformation items in the same way that all other classes are. I by no means am saying we should be able to use them when other classes can’t (for example, if I have an orb of deception on, if I switch to flight form/mount a flying mount it should disappear like it would for any other class).

      Also what boss mechanics are you unable to do by using a transformation item?

      Argument #5: Blizzard has given the reasoning behind why shoulders, helms, etc cannot be customized, and druid forms are no different. It is a core class mechanic and aesthetic. It is the center of the classes identity. They have no intentions of changing that.

      I think you are misinterpreting what I am petitioning for. I am not asking that blizzard change druid forms, they already did that on their own. I am asking that we (druids) be able to use transformation items the same way that other classes are able to. Class identity has nothing to do with me being able to pop an item and turn into a blood elf. Does a priest being able to pop a Super Simian Sphere change their identity? No it’s something fun that’s it.

      Thanks for your contributions, hopefully you take the time to reread and contribute some more.

      • 5 niss October 1, 2010 at 9:30 pm

        support from a fellow druid who loves to collect weird stuff.

        You have no idea how much i felt left out the week gnomer’s op came out and my whole raid is in the gnome outfit but me and my fellow druids.

        If blizzard can make it so that shapeshifting not remove the effect of some if not most of the items Vallen mentioned would be great

  3. 6 Rag September 30, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    Yes please! Just think of all the humor that is being missed out on. A skettis-bear tanking a heroic. A blood elf pouncing into the next pull and swiping it to death. A dwarven chicken typhoon …

    @tilde – Even if thats a big concern, then make them not work in pvp. Personally, I’m not so sure its a big deal. Resto / ele shaman are much closer visually than trees / moonkin. I don’t think that gives shaman a competitive edge over druids. The other forms are distinct with a rage/energy/mana bar.

  4. 7 Anonymous September 30, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    Irrelevant. As irrelevant as the whole ToL discussion (unless you are on a RP server I guess).

  5. 8 Gathros September 30, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    100% agree aswell, its is damn anoying i got quite a few of these items and all i can use them for is pre combat entertainment which is nice but less than using them in the combat.

    Oh and dont forget the items from the liberation quest for trolls/gnomes

  6. 10 wendy September 30, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    Tilde:

    Your argument of not being able to tell what spec an enemy druid is is fairly week. Here’s an idea: target the enemy druid! Do they have a rage bar? They’e probably a bear. Do they have an energy bar? Probably a kitty. Mana bar? This is a tough one, but I’m gonna go with Boomkin if they’re casting offensive spells, or Tree if they’re healing things. Even then if they’re in night elf form how are you going to know? Maybe boomkin should be locked into that form and unable to heal in pvp combat, just so other players can know for sure at a glance that it’s a boomkin? What are people going to do when tree form is a special ability and they can’t just look at a resto druid and know right away what they are?

    If it was such a huge advantage to prevent an enemy in pvp from figuring out what spec you are, boomkins would go running around in cat form til they got into combat. It’s not a big deal if people would take a few seconds to use their brains.

  7. 11 Jey September 30, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    i totally agree with this whole transformations available in druid forms thing. I have a bunch of these that i cant use for full purpose because even when i am just standing around in dal i usually shift to cat form before i run somewhere so it usually knocks it off then.

    And as far as the transformations causing you to not be able to do boss mechanics…the only one i can think of was DBW making it so you could not use your rocketpack on gunship, which got fixed really quick. But i do have strong recollections of having to wait till i was dpsing iron council in ulduar before i could use my ironboot flask in order to get the achievement because if i was tanking and used it i would get killed.

  8. 12 Belgium September 30, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    I also agree to 100%

  9. 13 Anonymous September 30, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    AGREE TOTALLY
    BEEN hoping for a change since i got my first diguise

  10. 14 Ragekin September 30, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    Agreed. I heard a while ago we used to be able to use these items and be in forms in vanilla before it got changed. Don’t see why they cannot revert it.

  11. 15 Veyska September 30, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    Noggenfogger used to work in feral forms, then Blizz nerfed it. The Brunnhildar cosmetic change used to work over top feral forms, then it got changed.

    There’re I think three “costumes” that work in feral – DBW, the Ashtongue costume to kill Al’ar, and the Super Simian Sphere (AFAIK, lost the roll on the one I’ve seen drop). Even the stupid Christmas gnome costume one doesn’t work, and I almost submitted a ticket complaining about harassment from Blizzard to Blizzard – shouldn’t have to pick between respeccing and regearing to get one single achievement or else effectively leeching in PVP.

  12. 16 Sarriss September 30, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    /signed. That pvp achievment for long strange trip disguised as a gnome was incredibly painful for me to do on my kitteh druid. I dont pvp much as it is but it took me the entire holiday event to rack up the kills required for that achiev… Would be pretty awesome to see a noam doing some facemauling tho ;-D

  13. 17 Sopa September 30, 2010 at 7:04 pm

    I, Sopa of Doomhammer petition that transformation items persist in all druid forms regardless of shapeshifting so that we can enjoy, like all other classes in World of Warcraft.

    Should repost this in WoW forums. Im tired of always bringing the death post back to live

    • 18 Sundar September 30, 2010 at 7:31 pm

      I support this as well, but just a reminder to not do it in the form of a petition as it will be overlooked. It’s a nice idea that I do hope to see implemented, and I don’t want the constructive discussions to be overlooked because the thread is deemed to be a petition.

      In any case… *Waves a flag to cheer the idea on*

  14. 19 Tilde September 30, 2010 at 7:31 pm


    1 – “If a Shaman with a Sindorei Orb comes at you, do you know what spec they are?
    If a Paladin with a Frenzyheart Brew comes at you, do you know what spec they are?”

    You can’t tell ele vs resto on a shaman when they’re in no form, as their mana is similar and both use a 1h+shield. The Orb would not change that. An enhancement shaman would be incredibly easy to notice, due to the dual wielded weapons and 6k mana pool.

    A paladin would be quite easy to tell, of any spec, regardless of forms. Legitimate mana pool? Holy. No? If he uses a 2her, he’s ret, while a shield indicates prot.

    A druid could be in boomkin form, tree form, normal form, flight form, aquatic form or in travel form. There is no way to tell quickly if forms do not ID them.

    To those who have or would argue that you can tell from the spells they cast – 1) Not necessarily (or even likely). Starfire, moonfire, insect swarm, wrath, entangling roots, etc are all fair game for boom or resto, plus if you have to wait for someone to cast several spells to know what spec they are, you are already at a significant disadvantage, which proves one of my points, rather than countering it.

    Mana Pots & Wands provide specific bonuses/increases to gameplay and are not relevant to this discussion.

    They are insofar as they represent my point, which is that part of being able to shapeshift to access different abilities is staying in that form. It is a limitation of your class. I do not get flight form on non-druid chars. I do not get the racials I may want. I see no strong argument as to why a druid should have the exact same perks as other classes when they do not have the same limitations, and do not see how it’d be different than certain races complaining about not being able to be certain classes.


    #3

    I know you weren’t actually trying to make an impassioned argument, but rather were championing a cause. In fairness, to call out the weakness of your argument was somewhat of a low blow, simply because we weren’t attacking the discussion from the same level.


    Also what boss mechanics are you unable to do by using a transformation item?

    The main one I had in mind was Gunship rockets by being transformed. Though druids already kind of get dumped on by that one, so I’ll gladly put a point in your column for biases, even if not for this specific argument. The other ones that actually make a reasonable point would be several of the noncombat ones that make you unable to pick up / use certain items for gimmick fights, though it’s possible many of these have been changed. I remember tons of issues a few years back with Halloween wands.

    And it wasn’t my point, but people chugging the iron dwarf flask drove me absolutely insane in Ulduar as a tank. You guys know who you are. >:O


    #5

    The transformation items are self-customization. It’s iconic. A druid not being in a form would be like Arthas having his helm graphic turned off during the LK fight. It’d be kiiiiind of problematic.

    I may have come off a bit negative on the whole, but was merely trying to take the opposite side of the argument. I’m all for people enjoying the game, and while I think this is a silly point to worry about, I wouldn’t mind as long as it didn’t have consequences (and the BG aspect is a huge one).


    Your argument of not being able to tell what spec an enemy druid is is fairly week. Here’s an idea: target the enemy druid! Do they have a rage bar? They’e probably a bear. Do they have an energy bar? Probably a kitty. Mana bar? This is a tough one, but I’m gonna go with Boomkin if they’re casting offensive spells, or Tree if they’re healing things. Even then if they’re in night elf form how are you going to know?

    I addressed this topic some above, and will more here. Before I get to that though, sarcasm only works well when you make a good argument. As far as my argument being half of a fortnight, it was rather lengthy, and for that I apologize.

    Ridiculously petty semantics aside, clearly I wasn’t talking about feral druids. Mana bars have 5 options in BGs, 6 in world pvp. I will temporarily ignore the 4 that you completely (why is there no italics setting on blog comments? Q_Q) ignored.
    1) Good boomkins DO wait in cat form, prowling, until instigating combat. This will be a larger factor in rated BGs.
    2) I’m repeating myself here, but if you wait for a boomkin to cast multiple spells before you’re able to properly react, you’ve already lost.
    3) Your straw-man argument of boomkins being locked into forms and not being able to heal is absurd. Making a terrible faux-argument that has nothing to do with anything I said is not a substitute for good reasoning on your end.
    4) When tree form is special, I’m going to go out on a limb and say the guy standing around not in any form is probably the resto druid, just like he is now? Resto druids in pvp spend similar amounts of time out of tree form as in it.
    5) Now for the forms I ignored. I ranked up on the old pvp system, and did countless WSG battles. Countless druids in travel form with noggenfoggers later, the idea of going back to it repulses me. But having a skeleton in the AB waters being able to swim at super speed (aquatic), blow me up in an arcane fury (boom), flee the scene quickly (travel), or keep themselves alive for agres after I instigate comment (resto), and not having any method of knowing which of these is the case in advance, is not a good idea.

  15. 20 Tilde September 30, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    Two last thoughts, though I’ll try to remember to check back for more replies –

    My warrior should be able to hide what stance I’m in, display no/misleading graphics when swapping stances out of combat. While I have to me in those stances (a warrior’s “form” if you will), the argument could be made that if druids can hide their forms, a warrior shouldn’t have to give his away. I’m guessing most of the people here don’t pvp competitively, but the little things matter.

    I made a half dozen arguments. If you have difficulty refuting part of one of any them, the rest of your counters are largely meaningless for the purpose of the “For” or “Against” discussion. I don’t mean not to reply, or that your arguments are worthless, merely that anything short of complete denial of each point leaves a good reason why this change shouldn’t go through. Plus, blizzard has taken it the other way, so policy is against you. A more compelling argument than “I want it” would be useful.

  16. 21 Aviena October 1, 2010 at 2:13 am

    I -had- written out a rather lengthy counter-argument for you, Tilde, but decided that the inevitable “my argument is correct”/”no, MY argument is correct” wasn’t worth the effort. I will, however, say that Blizzard should just disable disguises in battlegrounds. If they did it for arena, I can’t see why they can’t do it for BGs.

    In response to your comments about druid forms being “iconic” or “a limitation of your class” – you’re getting kind of silly. So you’re not okay with druids not using their forms. Are you okay with mages using noggenfogger turning into tiny, frostbolt-casting skeletons? Are you okay with shield-bearing ninjas tanking the lich king and yelling about shadow traps? Are you okay with what -appears- to be a blood elf rogue hanging out at the Stormwind Auction house bidding on the alliance version of the Battered Hilt? As far as it being a “limitation of your class”: class limitations are those that relate to combat mechanics and/or mechanics that directly relate to your abilities (see flight form, war stomp, underwater breathing, etc). They are NOT items put into the game just for fun/”messing around” that every class except a druid can enjoy without gimping themselves. (Unless Blizzard suddenly turned Savory Deviate Delight into a stat buff without telling me.)

    Given that all of your arguments related to “it would suck for PVP” or “gee, but forms are too ICONIC”, it seems to me that disguises that persist when shapeshifted would not be a problem, so long as they were disabled in BGs (which, let’s be honest, would be much easier than trying to convince die-hard vanilla PVPers that druids are people too).

  17. 22 Enzoh October 1, 2010 at 3:13 am

    I agree, i say blizzard should make this change. Also about the “being able to see what spec the druid is”. as you’ve said earlier you can look at their weapons but you should realize quite quickly which spec you’re up agianst when you engage a druid. so i dont see why we shouldent be able to use whatever Transformation item we feel like. so GO Vallen!!

  18. 23 Freckles October 1, 2010 at 4:06 am

    Due to the PvP problem “I can’t see what form you’re in” someone in the blizz forum had the idea that there could be some special “druid morph” Items. These ones only transforms you into the cat/bear form of other classes. So if you are a tauren druid, it morphs you into da Nightelf, Worgen or troll form. I know that it would only affect cat and bear and leave Chicken and Tree behind, but maybe it would be some kind of option.

    PS: Excuse my bad english please. It’s not my mother tongue.

  19. 24 Nyrith October 1, 2010 at 6:29 am

    I agree with this petition, DBW brought so much fun back to my kitty. Nothing beats stabbing the enemy in the eye with a big bad staff! Or doing a kitty-jump while the Taunka-procc is on.

    This is about the little things BUT it is not unimportant because those little toys can take you a long way… (especially if you have see enough of your *druids-form* ass).

  20. 25 Shewp October 1, 2010 at 7:28 am

    I would settle for this: Allow the shapeshifting items to persist ONLY while in caster form. So if I were to use my Orb of the Sin’dorei, then for all intents and purposes I am a blood elf druid for the duration. I would still shift into cat/bear/tree/critchicken, but when I shift out I have the bloodelf model until the buff goes away.

  21. 26 Jay October 1, 2010 at 7:37 am

    Symian sphere persists in all forms btw.

  22. 27 Ilnezhara Eonar October 1, 2010 at 8:01 am

    Support!@

  23. 28 paperclip October 1, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    As an avid costume collector myself, I’ve wanted this for a while however, I do see two issues with it. The first relates to PVP. Seeing the spec has been mentioned, but I think it also includes seeing the transformations. The visual clue of shifting gives an indication of what th druid is about to do. Now maybe other classes don’t have the same tell, but it is hard to deny that removing it for druids makes them more powerful. Although if they are rebalancing everyone anyway, they coud take that into account.

    The second is a possible technical constraint having to do mostly with feral forms. How do you translate the feral moves into animations of other forms? This could effect balance in PVP, but also changes the feel in PVE. Generating new animations for each of the costumes certainly seems beyond what Blizzard has available resources to do.

    One final point, more a question really, if we can use costumes, should we be vulnerable to forced “costumes” like polymorph and hex?

    Out of curiosity, how do other classes’ transformations (metamorphosis, shadow form, ghost wolf) interact with costumes?

  24. 29 nytkin October 1, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    We need to get this on the suggestion forum on worldofwarcraft.com

    I’ve been irritated by this issue for years.

    It’s simply not fair that druids don’t get to play with transformation items like all the other classes.

  25. 30 coldnox October 1, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    count me in Vedra!!

    /hugs from evoq❤

  26. 31 furocious October 1, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    I’d like to have the option of these costumes to play around in. As a feral druid I only really see bear and cat, and not much else. Sure I can change color now, but from the level I get the form to the end of the highest raid tier, I do not have anything about my character (in forms) that looks any different. A Tier 1 cat looks like a Tier 11 cat (health/mana and other stats not withstanding).

    I do agree that the druid has more flexibility in pvp if our form switches are hidden (I too hated noggenfogger druids in WSG). However, (and I know I’m streching for this since it’d be even more work for Bliz to implement) if we had a form changing image ala warrior stance change (or something to that effect), it would probably nullify the pvp problem. Yes you’d have to pay attention for the change, but as many people have noticed, if you sit and watch for several GCDs in PvP, you’re either already dead, or you outgear them so bad it won’t matter what form they’re in.

    Lastly, I had no idea the simian sphere worked in all forms…..I lost the roll the only time I saw it…just my luck.

  27. 32 Arandin October 2, 2010 at 6:38 am

    Let me use my cool trinkets i’ve worked hard farming!!!!!
    Supporter Arandin – Kil’jaeden

  28. 33 Ashalia October 3, 2010 at 3:05 am

    I loved Noggenfogger + Cat.

    Give me my transformation back!

  29. 34 Eldhorn October 3, 2010 at 12:47 pm

    /sign
    Them being lazy is not an excuse for taking away the fun of transformation items from a specific class

  30. 35 Goodmongo October 4, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    OFF Topic – With the 4.0.1 patch about to go live how do you plan to play your kitty spec when your DPS will be anywhere from 50 to 65 percent lower then it is now on live? You can’t do ICC or Ulduar with that low of DPS so this has got to hurt the achievement/mount rush of the next 6 weeks or so.

    This isn’t just me saying this but EJ and WOW forums.

  31. 36 Cremaster October 4, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    I had always wished just to get my Dartol/pumpkin hat/Dark Iron getup reinstated for the remaining duration after shifting back to caster form. Never occurred to me to want it persisting through all shifts. I’m with what Shewp points out above. Of course a skeleton or furlbog charging/mauling/swiping a boss would be cool, but I would be quite content to look like a bear or cat while necessary, then shift back to resume my costume for the rest of my duration.

  32. 37 Moonicorn October 4, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    Until it got fixed when they put the shortcut in CoS, I liked transforming into a wolvar, then shapeshifting into bear to tank cause it would just bump me into the human disguise. There was some hilarious feral/human charging goin on in there.

  33. 38 Chewtoo October 6, 2010 at 11:14 am

    No moar distracting devs with this silly petition! Get on the PTR and spam them with damage parses. As it stands now I can hop on a premade mage and double the output of my BIS feral kitty! Trust me you aren’t going to be happy leaping around as a belf in a raid when you’re getting out dps’d by an ele sham who has his rotation macro bound to his mousewheel and is spanking it to midge porn with this other hand.

    • 39 Vallen October 6, 2010 at 12:23 pm

      Trust me in that I play the class & spec because I love it regardless of whether it does 1/2 the damage of a premade mage or 10x the damage of a premade mage.

      Play this game long enough and youll know that things will eventually balance itself out so complaining about dps on PTR’s is really irrelevant.

      • 40 Chewtoo October 7, 2010 at 10:41 am

        I respectfully disagree. QQing on the forums is exactly what does seem to bring change in wow. The squeeky wheel gets the oil or something like that.
        I’ve been around long enough to know that the people who make decisions do read the forums and do read the popular class sites. I could be wrong but from everything I’ve read the latest ptr build is going live next Tuesday. That build with possibly some bug fix updates will be what we are working with till the Dec release of cata. That’s a long time to go without being a viable hardcore raider if that’s your thing. I don’t PVP as feral, but that’s a long time to go without being competitive there as well.

        Don’t get me wrong I love the spec as well, but with the other classes getting their dps to be more input involved I doubt I love it enough to suck up 2 months of not raiding. You may be in the situation where you’ll raid just as much content because that’s the way your guild does things. For many top tier guilds there is no way they’d bring a dps class that no longer provides any desired unique buffs and does terrible damage.

  34. 41 Goodmongo October 6, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Vallen, I disagree with saying that dps on PTR’s is irrelevant. First off that PTR DPS for our spec is going live in a week based on some accounts. Are you reeally saying that DPS on live is also irrelevant? Now you have been lucky and got your mimi head but some of us are still trying for drakes, head’s and other achievements. If our DPS is less than half of what it is now after the 4.0.1 release then we won’t be able to get these things. How is that NOT irrelevant? How would you feel if the week you might get your long sought drop comes and you can’t raid cause your dps just won’t cut it?

  35. 42 Xingua October 6, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    Not only does the Simian Sphere work in form, but it works in ALL FORMS, which means you can use it with flight form and be a super awesome flying monkey. It looks like he’s swimming through the air while floating in his magical bubble.

    Do not miss the chance to get one!

  36. 43 Tiggerr October 14, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    I agree %100 we need to keep the buff even if we shift into forms


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