The Fate of Insane in the Membrane

Those who are regular readers here at Feral Aggression known that I am generally a staunch supporter of Blizzard and it’s decisions. I firmly believe that they generally understand the general public and that the decisions they make are whats best for the game as a whole. However, at Blizzcon something was announced unexpectedly which has caused quite a bit of ruckus and caused me quite a bit of frustration. Specifically, I am referring to the comments regarding the Feat of Strength, Insane in the Membrane.

For those who are unaware, the following statement was made during  the Blizzcon 2010 Open Q&A Session

Response by Ghostcrawler (10/23/2010)
Q: I’m working on insane in the membrane, with all the changes to Dire Maul north will I still be able to achieve this achievement?
A: The biggest problem are the changes to the bloodsail buccaneers, that kinda put a bullet in that feat of strength for now. It’s fun to do painful things in WoW. If there’s a huge outcry for it we’ll try to put something equally brute in the game.

This is a clearcut answer which for all intents and purposes tells us the fate of this FOS. The problem however is the following:

Posted by Ancilorn (Source) (11/18/2009)
Just for clarity, Insane in the Membrane will not be removed in Cataclysm. We can only confirm this one for you, but since it’s undoubtedly one of the most brain-melting achievements, we thought it nice to let you know that you don’t have to rush to have this done before the expansion. 😉

Naturally, a lot of outrage has resulted as of this and the following follow-up was provided:

Posted by Bashiok (Source) (10/25/2010)
Insane in the Membrane is a feat of strength, not an achievement. Feats are things that you can’t be guaranteed to complete, which is why they’re feats and not achievements. Most of them are actually now impossible to complete, and this feat will join a long list of “you had to be there” moments in WoW time.

The feat isn’t being removed of course, those who have it will retain it, however; some of the requirements are, so it will no longer be able to be completed by anyone who has not already done so.

It’s possible that in some very specific situations where someone has completed the reputations which are being removed, but not others that will still be in the game, that it can still be completed. But it’s something we’re waiting for clarity on, and will let you know as soon as we do.


So why is this a problem? First off, Ancilorn’s response was clear cut which states that this would not be removed come Cataclysm. Yes, the follow-up post does state that some aspects will still be obtainable and some will not. However there is no clear indication of what will be “in” or “out” (more on this later). Personally, based on the statement from Ancilorn, I decided to take my time and stock up materials, buying low and saving as long as possible before making my push. Knowing that I have a long runway changed my gameplan significantly. For example, Inscription will undoubtedly offer new Darkmoon Cards come Cataclysm and with the rush to make decks, the cost of cards will drop making for a more reasonable price point.

Instead, now we were left with 7 weeks (or less) to complete this FOS, so now lets break this down even further

  • Revered with Bloodsail Bucccanears
  • Exalted with Steamwheedle Cartel
  • Exalted with Shen’dralar
  • Exalted with Ravenholdt
  • Exalted with Darkmoon Fair

Almost every aspect of this FOS is a time sink grind and with 7 weeks, yes that is more than sufficient time to grind every rep to exalted. Bloodsail is the easiest by far of just grinding goblins in Booty Bay. Steamwheedle Cartel while time consuming is just doing mindless # of Dire Maul runs. Ravenholdt while challenging to get boxes, is possible for the right price. Even Darkmoon Faire can be pushed in a short amount of time if you have the right amount of gold.

The issue comes down to Shen’dralar. This by far is the most challenging due to the limitations of where rep can be acquired from. Specifically the only possibility of obtaining rep (beyond a quest and class book) are Librams. While Librams themselves are easy enough to come by and can be purchased, the primary controlling factor is Pristine Black Diamonds. They are random lv 60 world drop items that are extremely rare and not farmable. So, no matter how many hours I put into farming, I have no way to know whether I will or will not obtain enough diamonds. Being on a low population server, the availability of diamonds through the AH are scarce (and extremely expensive). Even if I did purchase every diamond off the AH, I still would not have enough. This leaves me in a situation where I may have to resort to drastic measures to obtain diamonds.

So, lets summarize what we know and what should be done

  • Aspects of “The Insane” will be removed come Cataclysm or even as early as 4.03
  • Blizzard is “waiting on clarity” to provide a response, however that was 6 days ago and still no feedback
  • There is no clearcut answer on what is “in” or “out”

So, what am I doing about it?

  • I’m currently working on Steamwheedle Cartel (~600/6000 Friendly if I turn in all my Ogre Tanin’s)
  • I’ve currently got someone helping me with boxes (6000/12000 Revered + boxes incoming)
  • I am not farming DMF rep under the assumption that it will continue to be available come Cata (Taking a risk here but I have no choice)
  • I am investigating other drastic measures to obtain Pristine Black Diamonds (Waiting for a firm answer before I take drastic action)


I’m going to have to say that Blizzard really dropped the ball on this one. It’s one thing to give a reversal of their original statement, I can deal with that. It’s also awful that the runway to complete this FOS is pretty short, again I can deal with that because if I really want it, I will put in the time. However, I cannot understand why they are unable to provide a clearcut definitive answer so that we can identify what the priority and what should our focus be on. If you tell me that everything is going to be removed, so be it. At least I know and I can plan accordingly. However if the decision is that only Rep A & B are going to be removed, then I will focus all my energy on A & B and leave C & D for Cataclysm.

Let me make it clear that I don’t care which way they decide to go with Insane, all I care is that they give a definitive answer. This FOS is challenging/time consuming enough as it is, we really don’t need this extra pressure on top of it.

Make a decision Blizzard.

/end rant.



12 Responses to “The Fate of Insane in the Membrane”

  1. 1 Bolera November 1, 2010 at 11:43 am

    Only honored with the pirates 🙂

  2. 4 Kamyu November 2, 2010 at 7:41 am

    I think you have to work hard in Steamwheedle Cartel to get exalted and try to get as much librams as you can while doing Free Knot! runs, not just do the run, kill every ogres you see and if you can kill the last boss, you can get Ace of Warlords, a rare card to get you epic decks… Buy pristines in AH, you have lot of money (i think..) but the trouble is… are there enough diamonds in the Ah of your server?
    You have to hurry but i think you will do it.

    For me… i need three more epic decks and i will be Insane… if i dont get them in four days i will be insane irl.

    Good luck and sorry my english.

  3. 5 Gurbl November 2, 2010 at 9:38 am

    Could not agree more with your post, its the sort of thing where, if you as me, have done 2/3 of the achievment and they remove it, leaves you with a fustration beyond belief. It is one of those times where you realise, that you might have invested too much time, in something that is “just a game”.

  4. 6 Goodmongo November 2, 2010 at 10:47 am

    Well you do have the “Mask for all occassions” achievment to fall back on. Sorry thought that was funny.

  5. 7 Bloodgore November 2, 2010 at 6:49 pm

    For the pristine black diamond problem there isnt much you can do. I suggest looking for a 60 twink raiding guild on your server cross faction if needed. I got 40 diamonds from a 60 ally twink toon (when i asked how he massed them only reply i got was BWL). I play horde (atm)

    Thankfully I never believed the Insane was safe from being removed and started grinding it hardcore at the beginning of summer and finished it after working on it casually the previous 6-9 months.

  6. 8 chckenmcbndy November 5, 2010 at 10:56 am

    The kicker for me is the DMF rep. Has anyone found an update on this?

    I finished up my 4 goblin reps and Shen’dralar over the weekend.

    300/1405 lockboxes done for Ravenholdt (man this is the snoozer for me…I fell asleep 3 times last night while doing this). My goal is at least 100 a day. My first in-game friend I made (she escorted me across the bridge from Westfall to Duskwood…man that was that a scarey zone when i was new to the game. Took me a week to cross that bridge) transferred her rogue over last night and I’m guessing she’ll jump on this with me =D

    I was going to hold out on DMF rep until cata when the trinkets will actually be worth something again. In my mind this is a difference of spending 100K on this rep or making 100K. I’ve made 20 decks this week just in case. I really hope they give us an answer on this soon.

    Hope the grind is going well for you! I know prices are all wacky now. Some for the better though. I picked up 900 snowfall inks people are dumping from the glyph madness for 2.5g each! Diamonds and 2 of the librams are going for around 500g per on my server. Matter of luck I was passively working on Shen’dralar before the announcement i had bought 30 of the diamonds at 100-200g per days before.

  7. 9 Jikel November 6, 2010 at 10:20 am

    Very well written. We can’t expect Blizzard employees to have a crystal ball, but it was pretty poor to tell us specifically that we didn’t need to rush, unless they were ABSOLUTELY sure.

  8. 10 BearTree November 10, 2010 at 7:59 am

    In the latest beta build, there’s the following change:

    Feats of Strength
    Insane in the Membrane no longer requires the Shen’dralar reputation.

    If that’s it for changes…

  9. 11 chckenmcbndy November 10, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    Just read on MMO Champion title will still be in without Shen’dralar rep! Great news for me because I didn’t finish my DMF rep and was afraid next month would be to late.

    I am a little suprised they didn’t replace that grind with something else. I’d estimate i spent around 40k on that rep. Hope it’s more than just a FOS.

  10. 12 Vallen November 10, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    I woke up this morning and saw that “Shendralar has been removed from Insane” which was not completely unexpected. Was not too pleased with it but I was dealing, then read later on that a FOS would be provided which kind of makes up for it.

    Just posted a new post discussing these new changes.

    Lesson of the Day: Don’t fuck around with shit if you don’t have to 🙂

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